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C-Realm Podcast Episode 13

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Episode 13: Skillful Means



In this episode, I talk with radio host and think tank wonk J. Hughes about religion and the skillful liberation of hobbled minds and with Chip Walter, author of Thumbs, Toes, and Tears: And Other Traits That Make Us Human about taking an active role in human evolution.



Guests




Chip Walter

Chip is the author of Thumbs, Toes, and Tears: And Other Traits That Make Us Human which you can find in the C-Realm Amazon Store. He has written other books and worked on Emmy Award-winning television science documentaries. You can learn more about those on his website:

http://www.chipwalter.com/

Chip Walter NPR interview: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6539954

J. Hughes

Dr. James Hughes hosts Changesurfer Radio and co-founded the futurist policy thinktank, the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technology:

http://www.ieet.org

Dr. Hughes is the author of Citizen Cyborg: Why Democratic Societies Must Respond to the Redesigned Human of the Future which again you can find in the C-Realm Amazon Store.






Music



Here you'll find links to musical tracks that I use frequently. I use them with permission in exchange for these links. You can download any of these tracks for free at the Promonet/IODAlliance website.

Download "Closer to Heaven" (mp3)
from "Tempting the Muse"
by Mysteria
Intentcity





Download "Somptin Happnin'" (mp3)
from "Polymorphic Convolutions"
by Various Artists
Electronic Soundscapes





    Download "Lotus Eaters" (mp3)
    from "Polymorphic Convolutions"
    by Various Artists
    Electronic Soundscapes





      Download "Electric Gypsy" (mp3)
      from "Worlds Within"
      by Govinda
      Intentcity





        Download "On Jordan's Bank-Advent" (mp3)
        from "More Sublime Chant: The Art of Gregorian, Ambrosian, Gallican, and Sarum Chant"
        by The Cathedral Singers, Richard Proulx (conductor)
        GIA Publications





          Download "Rannanu" (mp3)
          from "Ancient Echoes - Music from the time of Jesus and Jerusalem's Second Temple"
          by SAVAE San Antonio Vocal Arts Ensemble
          World Library Publications





          Download "Arabian Dance - Instrumental" (mp3)
          from "Ancient Echoes - Music from the time of Jesus and Jerusalem's Second Temple"
          by SAVAE San Antonio Vocal Arts Ensemble
          World Library Publications





            Download "Pearl Tower" (mp3)
            from "Instrumentals"
            by The Shanghai Restoration Project
            Undercover Culture Music





            Download "The Bund" (mp3)
            from "Instrumentals"
            by The Shanghai Restoration Project
            Undercover Culture Music





              Download "MCMXXXVII" (mp3)
              from "Instrumentals"
              by The Shanghai Restoration Project
              Undercover Culture Music





                Comments originally posted to Podomatic entry for this episode:


                at 03:07PM Wednesday on December 27, 2006, Queerninja said:

                Awesome work KMO. Loving you're shows so much man...you're spreading the tendrils of an expansive consciousness through the cyber-dimension!!!

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                at 01:25PM Tuesday on January 09, 2007, thunderball said:

                QueerNinja is the awesomest name ever!

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                gothicdance
                Apr. 17th, 2007 10:26 am (UTC)
                A thought!
                Hi. I just want to explore a quick thought regarding the notion that individual reincarnation is a primal idea (creed?) to Buddhism.

                I am not a Buddhist and I know very little about Buddhist philosophy/psychology. I'm just exploring a quick idea here; not particularly well thought out!

                As I have heard it expressed, one type of mystical experience is the knowing that we live in an (all pervasive) illusion of separateness and coming to an 'experience' (which I imagine to be a deep form of knowing where the knowledge is directly felt? Never had a deep mystical experience, so really do not know), anyway, coming to a deep understanding that in fact we are all One, there is no me, or you, ultimately, just one seamless plenum of existence, just one seamless expression of life. (Or something like that :-)!

                I am given to understand the Buddhist seek to be liberated from their ego (too some degree at least). A belief in individual (me-centred) reincarnation seams therefore not so important. Since death is just the loss of the ego, permanently, and reincarnation could be the ultimate understanding of compassion for all beings 'to be' though this understanding of our 'Oneness with all beings and all things, thought all time'. We will die, true, but our true being(? expression of life?) flows continuously in this Oneness of consciousness/awareness of all life. Maybe?!? Help! Brain hurts... I'm being to think that maybe I should try some of those peask magic mushrooms!
                kmo
                Apr. 17th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
                Re: A thought!
                Hi gothicdance,

                Thanks for the question. It's a bit outside my area of expertise, so I've forwarded it to J. Hughes and Mike LaTorra. If I get anything good back from them, I'll post their comments to my journal and read them out on podcast #30.

                Thanks again for the feedback on the podcast.

                Stay well.

                -KMO
                kmo
                Apr. 17th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
                Re: A thought!
                J. Hughes of Changesurfer Radio and IEET (one of the guests for the "Skillfull Means" episode, replied to your question as follows:
                The question is pretty much on the mark, and has hurt lots of Buddhist
                philosopher's heads. One of the core doctrines of Buddhism, which
                distinguishes it from Hinduism, is the denial of a continuous discrete
                self/soul. The meditational path to self-liberation is not the erase the
                self, but simply to realize it never existed. Consistent with
                contemporary psychology, Buddhism says the self is a perceptual illusion
                masking a constantly changing set of mental processes.

                So what then reincarnates? Personally I, and many Western Buddhists,
                don't believe in reincarnation, but the question could also be what's
                the relationship between you today and you tomorrow. The traditional
                answer is that reincarnation is like a flame passed from one candle to
                another. There is a clear chain of causation linking the two flames, but
                it doesn't make sense to ask whether they are the same flame or
                different.

                Of course, karma complicates that image, because you tomorrow, or in
                your next life, also suffer or benefit from your previous mental states.
                So another metaphor is a river. If you pour toxins in at the headwaters
                you'll find them downstream, but the question of whether the headwaters
                are part of the same river as the bayou is just a subjective matter of
                convention. There is no clear "river" with a beginning and ending.

                The next question is what happens to the bundle of mental states that
                think they are you if you happen to be lucky enough to transcend the
                self illusion. The Buddha refused to answer, and basically whacked the
                questioner and told them to get back to their cushion. But the
                traditional interpretation is that they continue to roll around together
                in your head, albeit more happily and loosely, until the death of the
                body. Then, according to Theravada, you blip out altogether, and
                according to Mahayana, if you do it right, you decide to consciously
                reincarnate and continue to maintain the illusion of selfhood in order
                to help other people.

                Many Western Buddhists agree with the writer Stephen Batchelor that
                belief in reincarnation is irrelevant to the practice of Buddhism, and
                that you should pay attention to the Buddha's response that the
                disposition of the enlightened mind after death is irrelevant to living
                your life. Howeer I think its very interesting to think about this
                reincarnating no-self problem in terms of lots of transhumanist
                dilemmas: should the re-animated cryonaut be considered the same person
                even if only 10% of their memories and personality were recovered? What
                will the status be of copies of your uploaded personality; part of you,
                your children, your slaves?

                Anyway, fun questions.


                J.
                gothicdance
                Apr. 18th, 2007 06:02 pm (UTC)
                Re: A thought!
                Hi again! I would like to thank J. Hughes for his considered response to my posting. I found the imagery of flowing rivers and candles of light very soulful! I have noticed my posting has a few grammatical errors since I rushed the text through a spell checker without checking the suggested substitutions before accepting (there should be word for this type of sloppy behaviour. I'm sure I'm not the only one! How about Spellcheckized!?!), so thanks again for reading the 'intended meaning' in the text and not the actual words used!

                I'd also like to thank KMO for producing this excellent C-Realm of truly intelligent speech. The use of extended book quotations and thought-of-the-day style quotes works very well in the overall format.

                kmo
                Apr. 18th, 2007 06:07 pm (UTC)
                Flames and Rivers
                I'd also like to thank KMO for producing this excellent C-Realm of truly intelligent speech. The use of extended book quotations and thought-of-the-day style quotes works very well in the overall format.

                Hey, thanks!

                :)
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