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Episode 74: Big Hat No Cattle



In this episode KMO concludes his conversation with Dr. Kathy McMahon of PeakOilBlues.com about common reactions to learning about the implications of Peak Oil including the pathological faux-optimism she calls "Panglossian Disorder." KMO wraps up with a look at the Singularitarian faith as reflected in Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, by Jared Diamond.




Quote from Navigating the Collapse of Civilization: a Spiritual Map by Carolyn Baker, Ph.D:
For most Americans marinated in materialism, heads anchored firmly in the sand, never having heard the words “Peak Oil,” still driving their gas-gulping SUVs, reveling in suburban sprawl, and gullibly counting on their pensions and 401Ks to be there when they need them, the notion of civilization's collapse is ludicrous and merely the latest obsession of the lunatic fringe. For other Americans of the rapidly-vanishing middle class who are only one paycheck or one catastrophic illness away from financial oblivion—who between mortgage, car payments, monthly bills, medical expenses, gas prices, and doubling monthly credit card bills, realize that not only will they not be able to pay for their kids’ college education but that every day they are now walking over an economic tightrope across a gaping precipice with a thousand-foot drop. Those folks know in their bones the reality of collapse—they feel it, smell it, taste it, but may not yet be able to allow the words to pass from their lips. Others, such as the individuals I've named above, are the prophets and John the Baptists of our time who get in our faces and scream “Repent!” or in less biblical language: “Wake the hell up!”

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kmo
Jan. 24th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
Panglossian Disorder
Did you listen to the interview? Kathy and I talked at length about the mindset of people who get their eco-primitive woodies on thinking about the ultimate payback that will afflict the oblivious when the whole comes crashing down.
venusflytrap
Jan. 24th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
i dont think it is that easy to be rid of oil and gas. the public transportation sucks in this country..

this turned up in digg about a month ago: http://www.neatorama.com/2008/01/01/energy-independence-how-denmark-kicked-the-foreign-oil-habit/

but here is the deal..denmark is taxed at 63something plus percent. that wont fly in capitalist united states. mind you, denmark is a democracy...also, it is a much smaller country while united states is spread out...having said that, forming tight knit small communities is beneficial in more ways than one...

seemingly irrelevant...but its worth noting that the abysmal health care system(and how majority of the population is denied universal health coverage PLUS the very high cost of medicine PLUS the dismal state of food culture with its crappy, unhealthy foods) has to be fixed before anything in this country is tackled. can you imagine what percentage of this population can cycle to work..to the coffeehouse...to school if there was no gas to run the SUVs? half the population is overweight..most of it is on anti depressants or immune system compromised. lets not even go into the sudden infatuation with pedophilia and crimes upon children in this country..no doubt exploited by the media in the various "entrapment of pedophiles/reality shows" on tv. thats unrelated, but i loathe it from the bottom of the heart and truly believe that media is making the world unsafe for the world. even most children cannot pedal their way to school and back. and the stupid suing culture and the ridiculous amount of insurance required for even taking a step on the streets. i am getting dangerously close to rant mode. will stop now.

to free onself from foreign oil is not completely about finding alternative forms of energy...it is about finding an alternate form of living.
kmo
Jan. 24th, 2008 07:17 pm (UTC)
yep
but here is the deal..denmark is taxed at 63something plus percent. that wont fly in capitalist united states. mind you, denmark is a democracy...also, it is a much smaller country while united states is spread out...

I'm certainly open to the possibility of breaking up the US into 5 or so smaller regional nations. The longer and more tenaciously people fight to maintain the monolithic super-power of old the more turbulent and unpleasant the ride the lies in the near future.

i am getting dangerously close to rant mode. will stop now.

I agreed with everything you'd said up to that point, and I would have kept reading if you'd taken it further.
zenjammin
Jan. 25th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
Re: yep
the only substance between the current (changing) state of modern conveniences and much more efficient/ecologically benign permutations is

TiME

zenjammin
Jan. 25th, 2008 12:40 am (UTC)
Re: yep
the very high cost of medicine PLUS the dismal state of food culture with its crappy, unhealthy foods) has to be fixed before anything
oh yah, yah, he making sense;
healthier beings will vibrate faster, and produce creations that vibrate as such
kmo
Jan. 25th, 2008 12:57 am (UTC)
Re: yep
I suspect I understand the point you're making, but I'm not certain. Would you say more? Does the 3/4 capitalization of TiME carry a specific meaning? I Googled it, but Google doesn't seem to be sensitive to capitalization.
zenjammin
Jan. 25th, 2008 02:20 am (UTC)
Re: yep
haha 3/4 th.. that's funny... not untrue i'd say, either.
Hm, i see you meant the spelling, which is just a matter of taste. I thought you were referring to music, as produced for the masses and by the masses, being subject mainly to only 3/4 and 4/4. The old "i saw what i wanted to see."

I just mean to express the deepseated intuition that although it's nigh impossible to say how long fuel-powered mobile machines will be around, they will inevitably be replaced, or something else (new priorities in day-today commonfare) will preclude similar but re-realized inventions being not even needed at all ---
within xx number of years.

good to know of your show, and its reception, no pun.

zenjammin
Jan. 25th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
Re: yep
preclude them being needed at all*
*__*
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