From: wakingsleep13	Date: April 4th, 2008 12:50 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Very compelling!

(I'm having a hard time getting to thegrowreport.com for some reason, so I'm posting this here.....)

Rock on, brother KMO! Wow, this was certainly a very compelling episode. I get the impression that you are about as fed up and frustrated as I am with the direction this election debacle is heading.

I'm here in PA, and it's the first time since I've been old enough to vote when at least one of the primaries makes a difference. And believe me, it is indeed, from how I see it, a deliberate and impeding debacle. It doesn't matter if Obama or Clinton wins.... the decision will most likely still ultimately lie with the Superdelegates. What bad, bad, bad comedy.

I was really moved by your rant at the end of the show. It's a side of KMO we don't normally see on the podcast. But that just made it all the more telling just how frustrated you must be, and I can't blame you in the least, my brother. You are so right about what you said.... if the Democrats aren't already worthless, that is. :)

I can't thank you enough for continuing to do what you do with the C-realm. The podcast is one of the things that helps keep me going these days. I really really wish I could come along to the conference in Peru- the smaller, intimate ceremony that you arranged sounds like it would be an amazing experience, but I'm not going to be able to pull it off this year. If you are still doing what you are doing come next year and if we all have any sanity left, I would like to think it would be a possibility..... we will see what The Universe has in store, I suppose.

Anyway, hang in there my brother. I'm planning on sending a donation when I get paid next week.... it's something I should be doing more often. Like I said, the C-Realm help keep me going.

Well wishes, light and sanity to you and yours,
-Daniel (WakingSleep on TheGrowReport)

PS- Not sure if you frequent realitysandwich.com, but I read a really good article I thought you'd enjoy reading. Here's the link.

http://realitysandwich.com/money_a_new_beginning

(Come to think of it... I think I recommended another essay by this author to you before...)

	From: kmo	Date: April 4th, 2008 02:45 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Very compelling!

Hey WakingSleep,

Yeah, I've been having trouble with the Grow Report as well. I'm thinking about just creating a C-Realm discussion community here on LiveJournal.

I searched my gmail inbox for "Charles Eisenstein," and I see that I sent myself a quote from The Ascent of Humanity. (Sorry, no time for links this morning.) Here's what I sent myself:

Another way of being is possible, and it is right in front of us,
closer than close. That much is transparently certain. Yet it slips
away so easily that we hardly believe it could be the foundation of
life; so we relegate it to an afterlife and call it Heaven, or we
relegate it to the future and call it Utopia. (When nanotechnology
solves all our problems… when we all learn to be nice to each other…
when finally I'm not so busy…) Either way, we set it apart from this
world and this life, and thereby deny its practicality and its reality
in the here-and-now. Yet the knowledge that life is more than Just
This cannot be suppressed, not forever.

What error, then, what delusion has led us to accept the lesser lives
and the lesser world we find ourselves in today? What has rendered us
helpless to resist the ugliness, pollution, injustice, and downright
horror that has risen to engulf the planet in the last few centuries?
What calamity has so resigned us to it, that we call this the human
condition? Those moments of love, freedom, serenity, play—what power
has made us believe these are but respites from real life?

Inspired by such moments, I have spent the last ten years trying to
understand what keeps us—and what keeps me—from the better world that
our hearts tell us must exist. To my endless amazement, I keep
discovering a common root underneath all the diverse crises of the
modern age. Underlying the vast swath of ruin our civilization has
carved is not human nature, but the opposite: human nature denied.
This denial of human nature rests in turn upon an illusion, a
misconception of self and world. We have defined ourselves as other
than what we are, as discrete subjects separate from each other and
separate from the world around us. In a way this is good news.
Profound changes will flow, and are already flowing, from the
reconception of the self that is underway. The bad news is that our
present conception of self is so deeply woven into our
civilization—into our technology and culture—that its abandonment can
only come with the collapse of much that is familiar. This is what the
present convergence of crises portends.

I'd like to have Charles on the podcast, but it will be several weeks before I have an opening for a full-length interview. You might write to him and make him aware of the podcast so that he'll be more inclined to accept my interview request when I finally get around to sending it. ;)

Thanks for listening and for your feedback. Stay well.