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I've got an idea for a new poll for the C-Realm website. Here's the question:

It wasn't until the 18th Century that astrology and astronomy were recognized as separate disciplines. Some people think it's possible to reunite them. What do you think?

1) Yes, they should be re-united.
2) No, the scientific study of the cosmos should not be tainted with superstition.
3) No, the utility of astrology would be undermined by the narrow vision of scientism.
4) No, each discipline functions best apart from the other.


Would you suggest any changes to the question or the choice of answers? Are additional choices needed?

Comments

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malathion
Aug. 7th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)
You can remove 1, 3, and 4. ;)
ankh_f_n_khonsu
Aug. 7th, 2008 02:51 am (UTC)
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that you have never had your chart read, nor have you ever done any personal evaluation of your own planetary and zodiacal inclinations. Essentially, I'd guess you're being condescending out of ignorance, but maybe you can prove me wrong...?
malathion
Aug. 7th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
No need to make this personal.

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kmo
Aug. 7th, 2008 06:10 am (UTC)
???
You don't seem to understand the nature of this post. I'm not asking you to take the poll. I'm asking for input into its formulation.
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ankh_f_n_khonsu
Aug. 7th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
Seem like good options to me. I'd personally opt for choice 4. They're very different, and have no business mingling too much.
venusflytrap
Aug. 7th, 2008 03:03 am (UTC)
ditto
peristaltor
Aug. 7th, 2008 05:41 am (UTC)
That seems a good question set. I'll reserve my opinion for the poll. ;-)
tirikitetoker
Aug. 7th, 2008 10:43 am (UTC)
I feel like there should be more "yes" options - perhaps outlining different reasons for saying yes, perhaps outlining which discipline should be more important...

Possible issues: astrology as formulated today doesn't actually reflect the real sky. From what I've heard, astrology just divides the sky into 12 equal divisions, but in fact for example Virgo is very large and takes up much more than 30 degrees. (Sorry I don't have exact figures.)
: I might be completely wrong, but I think that astrology doesn't even use the current Gregorian calendar!
: As mentioned by Rupert Sheldrake on the recent Psychedelic Salon episode on the Heavens, modern astrology doesn't make any interpretations of unpredictable events like supernovae, even though in ancient times such an event would be a major omen.

All the things I've mentioned refer to putting some scientific astronomical facts back into astrology. So what astrological points should be put into astronomy?
kmo
Aug. 7th, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
I understand
I understand the desire for more "yes" answers, but I don't know enough about astrology to formulate anything approaching a comprehensive list of positions for re-integration.

All the things I've mentioned refer to putting some scientific astronomical facts back into astrology. So what astrological points should be put into astronomy?

I have no idea. I must admit that I know next to nothing about astrology. I just don't believe that Carl Sagan knew much about it either, nor do I see any evidence for believing that Richard Dawkins or his followers are credibly informed on the topic. I certainly don't know enough to say whether Sagan's characterization of the principles and methodologies of astrology is at all close to the mark.
venusflytrap
Aug. 7th, 2008 05:30 pm (UTC)
i dont know about modern astrology, but indian astrology follows the sidereal zodiac...there are old texts like varahamihira's brihat samhita which *do* combine astrology and astronomy. one of the major duties of a astrologer in ancient times was to predict weather phenomena and the skies. i think the art of astrology has been degraded to 'fortune telling'. i have a two part translated version of brihatsamihita and its makes fantastic reading. what tickled me most was the part about devices that can 'disrupt peace'(trying hard not to use certain words here)...essentially, one feeds crows food containing phosphorous and guess what happens when they start shitting it out? dont know if it was tried and tested or if it was in theory level..but thats the bit that i still havent forgotten amongst all the wonderful tidbits in brihatsamhita..:)

even wikipedia has a varahamihira entry.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varahamihira and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihat-Samhita
venusflytrap
Aug. 7th, 2008 05:40 pm (UTC)
p.s, titikitetoker: sorry..forgot to add this link about sidereal astrology > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_astrology

my grandfather also studied astrology and he followed a system called ashtavarga. in indian astrology we also have 27 'stars' divided amongst 12 houses. each house will be further divided into 8 degrees that makes for rather tight calculations.

having said all that..since most of ancient astrology is neither practiced or prevalent in our times, astrology and astronomy should certainly be considered as two distinctly different subjects.
Re: I understand - ankh_f_n_khonsu - Aug. 8th, 2008 01:01 am (UTC) - Expand
ankh_f_n_khonsu
Aug. 8th, 2008 12:57 am (UTC)
Modern astrology uses the Gregorian Calendar, yes.

Drawing a distinction between different forms of astrology (Vedic, Tropical, Sidereal or Modern) could get hairy, but you're right in pointing out that they are very distinct schools of practice and thought.
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kmo
Aug. 7th, 2008 02:24 pm (UTC)
equal importance
I think someone who holds that position could select number four without too much discomfort. Number four implies that both disciplines have some utility, but it doesn't require that people accept that they have equal utility.
victoriapandora
Aug. 13th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
I'd choose them to work together and be re-united, but it seems unrealistic.
Astrology and astronomy have grown to seperate.
I "believe" in both of them, but they seem to be different animals at this point, maybe in the future they really will combine naturally. In the meantime it's probably better not to skate backwards or hammer puzzle pieces that don't quite fit.
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