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"C" stands for consciousness

136: The Peer-Polity Peter Principle



KMO welcomes energy infrastructure analyst Jeff Vail to the program to talk about how growth-oriented hierarchies start to come unglued when they run up against the energy and resource limitations that prohibit continued growth. Listen in to hear how this idea relates to Professor Laurence J. Peter's famous principle.

Music by Float.

There's a good discussion of Jeff Vail's ideas in postrodent's journal.

You can hear the original, unedited version of my TalkShoe conversation with Jeff here: http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/33530

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farmer_dillo
Jan. 7th, 2009 10:05 pm (UTC)
Thanks KMO
Hi KMO,
Thanks for using the track.

Steve (float)
l33tminion
Jan. 8th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
Is there somewhere where I could download that track?
farmer_dillo
Jan. 8th, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
not yet
Hi
Not anywhere yet, there is more too.

Tell you what post your email, I'll send you an mp3
l33tminion
Jan. 8th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
Re: not yet
It's on my user info page. Many thanks!
pratimoksha
Jan. 9th, 2009 04:29 pm (UTC)
The long descent
Just being pedantic here, I know, but... John Michael Greer's book is called "The Long Descent", not "The Long Collapse".

While this may seem like a trivial difference, they have rather different connotations, don't they, and isn't this actually part of Greer's point?

Good show - looking forward to hearing more from Jeff.

peristaltor
Jan. 21st, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Great interview. I really like what he had to say about institutional structure leading to incompetence. It's something I've suspected (and posted about, now that I think of it) for some time.

This might be good news, though. You guys talked at length about FDA regs favoring larger slaughterhouses. This has fairly recently changed . . . a bit. On an NPR show dedicated to slow foods, a chef and restaurant owner recently mentioned the FDA has approved a portable slaughter operation for use with farm animals, something the size of a delivery van.

This enables people to slaughter one animal at a time, something that allows profitability for those practicing something all but lost here in the US, profitable cottage farming. It's not world peace, but hey.
kmo
Jan. 21st, 2009 06:32 pm (UTC)
I'd like to hear that segment. I searched the NPR website but didn't find it. Do you have a link?
peristaltor
Jan. 21st, 2009 09:01 pm (UTC)
Sadly, this aired more than a year ago on a local NPR affiliate. Worse, the portable slaughtering thing was only mentioned in passing.

I thought the van bit was more interesting than the slow food thing, but I wasn't the one being interviewed.
farmer_dillo
Jan. 28th, 2009 06:02 pm (UTC)
Float
Hi,
Had some nice feedbak on the music I supplied for the podcast, It is a real honour to do it.

Just for info I am setting up a website with info and downloads etc, I hope c-realm listeners will be interested.
Steve
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