KMO welcomes Derrick Jensen back to the program to explain why individual lifestyle change cannot substitute for organized political resistance. What's the point of taking shorter showers when industry and agriculture account for 90% of human water usage? Derrick explains why he thinks the Malthusian Correction can't come soon enough and why the physical world must be the independent variable in all of our calculations.

Music by Tonal Oak

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Peak Oil heavy-hitter Matt Savinar weighs in:

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic39346.html

Here's an interesting discussion on PeakOil.com started by a C-Realm listener:

http://www.peakoil.com/post632634.html

I didn't create this poll. If I had, I would have made clear a few distinctions that get mashed up here.

I'm going to paraphrase some of the positions found in the discussion thread on PeakOil.com under the poll so that I don't have to spend a lot of time formulating the proper attributions to quotes.

At least one person said, "I knew it, all you Peak Oil types are just misanthropic doomers. You're not interested in learning how much oil is in the ground or how long it will last. You just want to see human civilization come apart at the seams."

A less partisan position went something like this, "Anyone who says they WANT Peak Oil to occur is either nuts or just doesn't understand the massive human die-off that a breakdown in the chemical/mechanized style of agriculture that we now practice will entail, that's why I voted no."

And at least one person confirmed these viewpoints by posting something to the effect of, "Darned straight. I can't wait to see all the useless eaters get what's coming to them, and I'm going to try my best to survive just so I can see as many of them as possible die and dance on their graves."

But many people said something to the effect of, "I don't want to see a die-off or misery on a grand scale, but I want to see the end to the uglier side of global corporate capitalism." Or "I don't want a die-off, but we can't let the environmental effects of burning all these fossil fuels continue or it will mean the death of us all."

Multiple respondents asserted, "It doesn't matter what we WANT to happen with regard to Peak Oil. It's just a question of what WILL happen."

Of course, you've got the libertarian/free-market zealots saying, "There's no such thing as pollution. Nothing humans can do endangers the Earth." Some folks took that bait and got shunted to some rather silly conversational epicycles.

The poll did not allow people to express their motivations for choosing one answer over the other. It classified people who are eager to see the "useless eaters" get their comeuppance with people who emphatically do not want to see an increase in human misery and death but who would like to see our civilization divert from its course of seemingly ensured collective self-destruction.

Similarly, people who voted "no" might have been voicing their abhorrence at the prospects of a global food shortfall or they might have been expressing their hopes that their stock portfolios, heavy in energy companies, would continue to keep them on the investment-class gravy train.

It's time for me to replace the current 2012 poll on C-Realm, and I'd like to put up an improved version of this peak oil poll. I'd like the new poll to allow people to express their concerns over the link between an end to chemical/mechanized agriculture and a possible "malthusian correction." I'd also like them to have a choice that would allow them to weigh in on globalization and corporate capitalism as well as on the environment.

I'd be interested in some suggestions for restructuring this poll. It looks like the poll can only include one question and up to 12 possible responses to that question.

Any ideas?

C-Realm Podcast

"C" stands for consciousness

Episode 54: Malthusian Memes

Guests

Prof. Albert Bartlett - retired physics professor and modern-day Malthusian. One way or another, argues Prof. Bartlett, we will achieve zero population growth. This is a long interview and is intended as a follow-up to his Exponential Function lecture.

Carol Ekarius is a return guest. She joined me for episode #6 and we talked about living off-the-grid and about keeping animals. She is the author of many books including Hobby Farm, How to Build Animal Housing, and Small-Scale Livestock Farming: A Grass-Based Approach of Health, Sustainability, and Profit.

Vincent Casspriano, Jr.:

Carl Sagan meets Carlos Castaneda meets Richard Dawkins meets the Buddha … Vincent Casspriano, Jr.'s The Simplest Path to Personal and Planetary Awakening, Step One: FREE YOUR MIND: 10 Keys for Unlocking Your Personal Potential, Achieving Spiritual Awakening, ... of Humanity's Ultimate Cosmic Destiny cuts through all the Traditional Religious and New Age mystic mumbo jumbo to reveal a simple step by step path anyone can follow to the attainment of personal enlightenment and the positive transformation of our world. An amazing achievement!

~ Esra Free, author of Wicca 404: Advanced Goddess Thealogy