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I just canceled my MySpace account.

Here's why: http://www.thegrowreport.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=1075


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Dec. 11th, 2007 05:16 am (UTC)
To hell with MySpace.

Have you, by chance, been following the PolyOccult University (POU) updates?

Dec. 11th, 2007 06:19 pm (UTC)
I have not.

Changing the subject, I'd be interested in getting your input on this thread:

Dec. 11th, 2007 08:25 pm (UTC)
kent's 'physical argument' is almost mind blowing in its absurd assumptions. his mechanistic conception of the brain flies in the face of 50 years of artificial intelligence research; if we had access to "other more sensitive devices" than the human brain, maybe it wouldn't have taken us so long to get a computer to do such simple-seeming tasks as recognize a face or understand a sentence.

i wish i had the time to truly dig into kents article and poke holes big enough to drive his truck-full of assumptions through, but its a rough week in my world. its bookmarked, though.
Dec. 12th, 2007 02:28 pm (UTC)
James Kent's 'physical argument' is almost mind blowing in its absurd assumptions...

Twenty years ago, when I was actually serving in the ranks of the evangelical atheists and holier-than-thou rational empiricists, I cringed at the abuses of logic and reasoning employed by my fellow foot soldiers and our generals in the battle against "irrationality" and superstition.
Dec. 12th, 2007 07:58 pm (UTC)
I'll make a post with cleaned up comments, but it may take me a while to get to it. In the mean time, I'll just print my notes here. If you need some context just ask:

they didn't worship the sun, earth, et al; they worshiped the planets as expressions of divinity.

paranoia = enhanced perception; not bad at all

literal interpretation of "external intelligence"/"spirit realm" unnecessary;

because they are hallucinogens does not mean that they will make you see things that "aren't real"; it means your perceptions escape consensual reality

the biological organism doesn't produce the mystical experience; it acts as a conduit for the mystical experience

he misunderstands the mechanics behind dreaming. we don't forget dreams for the reason he suggests. we forget them because dreams occur on another level of consciousness we don't normally have access to. when we train the facility, we can have access to it.

he misrepresents principles of neurology. we do not need electrochemical stimulation in the visual cortext to "see" something. the brain cannot distinguish between internal and external constructs. he's right that electrochemical stimulation is needed, but that can be a self-inflicted condition independent of the environment. nothing need be 'seen'.

I've no interest in defending literalist psychonauts who attempt to answer questions like, "what is the substrate upon which the spirit realm exists?"

i completely agree with his labeling of the psychedelic experience as "acute psychosis", but that doesn't mean what he seems to think it means.

i'm guessing he isn't familiar with the literature demonstrating psi phenomena like clairvoyance and telepathy. however, research does seem to lack consensus on the effects of psychedelics on psi.

he mistakenly confuses the planes by suggesting, "When faced with real hard-world technology, the sacred wisdom offered by the psychedelic spirit real shows its painful limitations." the wisdom doesn't suffer from limitations. technology rests on knowledge, not wisdom. wisdom has little esteem in modern civilization.

his criticisms about the validity of the information received show his extreme lack of experience. this is to be expected, because with such a literalist application of metaphysics, the author can't begin to understand what he's working with.

people who turn antisocial often have good reasons for doing so. misanthropy has an undeservedly negative reputation.

lots of shamans may have deviously invented spirits. assuming they all did sounds completely absurd. more than that, he seems to misrepresent the actual historic version of shamanism which existed long before the "witch doctor" archetype took over. the earliest shamans, just like the earliest alchemists, were from the middle east.

to say that rigorous application of psychedelic spiritual practice requires institutionalized organized religion is completely ridiculous. he obviously has no idea as to the scope of spiritual diversity available.

how does one integrate an experience of blissed-out unity with the completely despotic world we live in? how do we go from a gnostic experience of wisdom to a world of greed and ego? he misunderstands the context of the difficulty of "re-entry".

he obviously doesn't understand the first thing about occult study.

Overall impression? He doesn't understand because of his literal application of ideology. However, those psychonauts who authentically believe their experiences should also step back. I diverge from many psychonauts in this insistence, but I see their bleatings every bit as foolish as their materialist opponents.

Just my 2¢. :)

Dec. 13th, 2007 10:19 pm (UTC)
I just posted over on the grow report...
I think that categorizing the phenomena that reductionist science has yet to get a decent handle on as "supernatural" or "paranormal" presents itself as a cheap and easy out for champions of scientism. If it's "supernatural" then it's all in the minds of mushy-headed religionists and new agers and not even worth a cursory glance from the high-minded people pursuing "real science."

I seem to recall you posting something along similar lines a year or more ago, though you may have come at it with a different emphasis or objective.

In case I miss it, do post a link here to your fully fleshed-out post when you do get it up online. I'd appreciate it.
Dec. 11th, 2007 06:22 am (UTC)
You know, I only ever use Myspace to track blog posts and bulletins from musicians, but this seems like the latest in a series of highly questionable moves over there.

What sort of notices or responses (if any) has Lorenzo received from them?

I'm strongly inclined to follow suit, but would like a little more detail about what happened.

Oh, and since its been in the ether so much, I think a podcast covering issues around social networking and the pros and cons of online communities might be really interesting. I'm sure Doug Rushkoff is a busy fellow but it might make for a great conversation if he were in on it.
Dec. 12th, 2007 02:33 pm (UTC)
Lorenzo didn't build or maintain the Psychedelic Salon MySpace page, but the guy that did it for him and who inquired into the deletion was told that the page violated the MySpace terms of service (TOS), but the good folks at MySpace declined to specify which part of the TOS the Psychedelic Salon page offended.

I think a podcast covering issues around social networking and the pros and cons of online communities might be really interesting.

Yeah, that would make for a good topic. I think Marc Pesce would make a good guest on that topic.
Dec. 11th, 2007 06:00 pm (UTC)
my msg to myspace
I am writing to lodge my protest of your decision to delete The Psychadelic Salon. I have found Lorenzo's work to be intellectually stimulating and worthwhile. He is truly a good citizen of the internet in every respect, and your deletion of his account shows a strain of reactionary fear of free discourse that is more at home in Soviet Russia or Fascist Italy than it is in this ostensibly free Western society. I know that this is your site, and you have no obligation to publish anything you don't like. But that is no excuse to be such cowards.

I will be terminating my account with you if this situation is not rectified promptly, and I will encourage others to do the same.

Dec. 12th, 2007 02:38 pm (UTC)
Re: my msg to myspace
Dec. 12th, 2007 09:26 am (UTC)
MySpace doesn't care if you protest or if you leave
Hey KMO,

I have been following the threads about this over at The Grow Report forums, so I think I can appreciate your reasons for canceling your account there. The "opt-in" database thing is probably the most spooky, which is why I deliberately provide misleading information on my page as to who I am and what I'm doing. Even so, I know better than to overtly mention things that could come back and bite me.

You admitted that you only had something of a business-card page there, so I am curious what sort of negative exposure you had being there? I think you could have gotten some benefits by staying--but if it's "a matter of principle," then more power to you.

I sort of like idea of using the system to fuck with the system, you know? My own page has enough controversial content that it could be deleted at any time. I've got a blog entry that complains about the recent deletion of the Psychedelic Salon, for instance. My other blog entries could be considered violating the TOS if examined critically enough. (No one actually reads any of my blogs, so this is not much of a risk.) And I too wrote a letter of complaint to MySpace, mentioned the arbitrary nature of the deletion given that many other pages are much more blatant about things that one assumes MySpace had a problem with regarding the Salon's page.

Finally--it might be worth knowing that EROCx1, someone I really respect and a variety of levels, one of the admins of the deleted P Salon page, and the person whose comments on TGR that you responded to with "that's enough for me..." (I'm paraphrasing), still has a page on MySpace.

There was a certain "herd mentality" to that thread--half the people commenting hadn't even been to MySpace and were "piling on." I'm not saying MySpace doesn't deserve the criticism it receives, and there's a lot about it I don't like--but I'm trying not to live in a black and white world, you know? So if I can get some benefit out of MySpace, I will. If someone gives me some compelling reasons to cancel my account there, I will consider them.

I haven't done much with LiveJournal and probably could get a lot more out of it with a little effort...so I'm starting to work on that. I also have accounts on Tribe and Facebook. As much as I hate MySpace, I've had the most fruitful and edifying interactions there, extending into my "real life." I'm sure this is mostly due to its size--more people to draw from.

Anyhow...I wish you the best with your decision, and I will do what I can to promote the C-Realm there as well.

Dec. 12th, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
Re: MySpace doesn't care if you protest or if you leave
MySpace was already on double secret probation with me because of it's atrocious functionality. If it worked as well as LiveJournal, and if I had the long history with it that I have with LJ, I would probably have written a warning letter like midnightglobe and kept my account in spite of MySpace's odious affiliations and corporate panopticon agenda.
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